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Oinola Akachi
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.02.03 19:02:01 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=402261&find=unread
I'm Starting a new Manufacturer Pilot or will get one from Bazaar...
Additionally, I am looking for advice as to what would be best for me to try this out.
Should I just try to do manufacturing of items with only a few sets of Blueprints or should I try Inventions.
Thank in advance! ( and please keep the forum PvP to a minimum.) |

Oinola Akachi
State War Academy Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2015.02.04 00:58:41 -
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Well , thanks, but I don't even know if I will save ISK in buying costs from producing the material or ship.
I have no idea what good equipment I could build and how much it would cost. And I don't know if it's easier to save if mass producing.
I also read that there is a lot of science skills to train , which seems more scientific.
Or is that only for Inventions?
Doesn't the production aspect relate mostly to the Production Skills for now?
Also, does invention allows you to make BPO for sale instead of having to buy BPC? |

Oinola Akachi
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.02.04 19:43:13 -
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Agent Unknown wrote:You have to buy the BPOs on the open market. There's no way to "create" BPOs. Invention is required for the production of T2 equipment and ships (and you need BPCs as input which are not given back if the invention succeeds or fails). All right , I didn't know that BPOs could not be created. Isn't there a way to loot BPOs from missions or Exploration or something?
I didn't know that Invention was required to produce T2 equipment and I didn't know that BPCs were input and possibly lost in Inventions.
Agent Unknown wrote:For production, you need all the skills under the "Production" tab as high as possible. Material Efficiency and Mass Production should be at V, and Advanced Mass Production and Supply Chain Management should be at IV (V eventually, but it's a long train).
You also need Science skills for *both* invention and the manufacturing of the BPCs that you get from invention. If you're dealing with T1 only and not inventing, you don't need Science skills at all.
As for profits, it's a well-kept secret so you'll have to find it on your own. Manufacturing calculators exist for this reason. Well, ok, but I will try to save money on my purchasing costs to start. Thank for the Science tip too.
But I guess that, for scientific reasons, I would be better to deal with T2s and more. |

Oinola Akachi
State War Academy Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2015.02.05 15:48:31 -
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Agent Unknown wrote:BPCs are always lost in invention ...but you create them from copying the BPOs. So, does that means that I can copy BPOs? I guess I can't use BPOs for Researching Inventions. Additionally, that I rather have to make BPCs (or buy them) from BPOs for Inventions.
Agent Unknown wrote:BPOs as far as I know never drop as loot (BPCs do as limited run copies). They're seeded by NPC sell orders, so check the markets. Yes, that would be important. I guess there are tricks or ways to find where and how those BPOs are sold from which NPCs, or why. (+ Those one can afford...) I also guess it must be hard to defend (or escort) them if they have to be carried.
Agent Unknown wrote:The important distinction:
BPO - BluePrint original. You can research the ME/TE levels of these to improve profits and produce them faster. You can build "unlimited" amounts of items with these blueprints with the maximum allowed run time of 30 days.
BPC - Created by "copying" a BPO. You select how many runs you want the blueprint to have - more runs means it takes longer to copy. You can build from these (so you can more than one production line), but you cannot research them. You use these as part of invention as well. ME/TE levels for Material Efficiency, Time Efficiency (previously Production Efficiency) ... I'm mentioning this here since it was hard to find their meaning. I'm reading a bit from [url=http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Invention]EVE University Wiki/url] here, but I can't find exactly what I'm looking for yet.
For instance, I read about Ancient Relics (from debris of a Sleeper facility), Data Cores and more... I still don't know any of that.
In fact, I don't plan on starting this Manufacturing Pilot for a few more days or week.
Also, can I make one pilot for research and one for manufacturing production? I already have a Refiner, and a PI pilot, which made level 5 items (that includes level 4 and 3). I also have a trader, and may make a new buyer (second trader Alt). I have an Explorer which can scan for Relics before I make new Explorers.
I also read that Salvaging was good to get rare materials for ships parts like rigs. Is that true?
(I'm all out of time now.) |

Oinola Akachi
State War Academy Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2015.02.06 15:11:58 -
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Agent Unknown wrote:1. As mentioned above, I was corrected in that BPOs are never dropped from NPCs or exploring, so you'll need to buy these from the market or off contracts.
2. Invention is a bit of a beast when you first start. Datacores are obtained by using research agents (R&D) and they generate a certain amount of cores per day (and doing missions for them increases this). They are relatively inexpensive and abundant on the market, though. Relics (or decrypters) modify your invention job in various ways.
3. One pilot can do both research and manufacturing as they don't share slots (but you'll need skills).
4. In regards to ME/TE levels, ME reduces the materials required to build a product while TE reduces the time.
BPOs are copied to make BPCs that share identical stats (except they are limited in terms of number of runs). You cannot use BPOs for inventing.
And yes, salvaging gives you a lot of materials needed for rig manufacturing. 1. I guess players sell the BPOs on the market on contracts, but I read that NPCs also sell those at station. I understand that there can be certain requirements before they can be purchased.
2. I am not sure how to get Datacores. I'm not sure how much they cost (relatively inexpensive can be relatively too vague to get a numerical value). I'm not sure how to get the Relics or what decrypters are.
3. Can pilot work in group for manufacturing? How does that work. I read it was possible.
4. I don't know how to affect or change the ME/TE levels. |

Oinola Akachi
State War Academy Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2015.02.06 18:41:25 -
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Elena Thiesant wrote:Oinola Akachi wrote:Isn't there a way to loot BPOs from missions or Exploration or something? No. You can get BPCs from exploration sites, but blueprint originals are bought on the market and traded on contract only Quote: 1. I guess players sell the BPOs on the market on contracts, but I read that NPCs also sell those at station. I understand that there can be certain requirements before they can be purchased.
The only requirement to buy a BPO is that you have enough ISK. Unresearched BPOs are sold on the market. Researched ones only on contract.
I didn't know that BPOs could be purchased Unresearched. How could they be sold Unresearched? Would it be that those that are sold
I don't know the difference between researched BPO and Unresearched.
I saw some exploration sites today, including data and relic.
(I'll try to continue to answer to your replies later, but it took me over an hour today so far.) |

Oinola Akachi
State War Academy Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2015.02.06 21:41:40 -
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Phig Neutron wrote:Oinola Akachi wrote:I don't know the difference between researched BPO and Unresearched. You buy the BPO from an NPC station. Then you research it to improve ME or TE. That makes it "researched" (or you might say, "improved"). The improved ones can then be sold via contracts. You're over-thinking this. Just buy a BPO for something cheap (like ammunition?) and manufacture from it, so you can learn how it works. Then start trying things that are more complex. It's funny how Inventions and Research don't match... Or, it's funny how Inventions and Research are different.
I know how to manufacture, I did the turorials.
I never tried to specialize in it. |
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